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After a bit of business banter about publishing mergers and the future of books, Chad and Brian break down the final two parts of Ada, or Ardor, debating the purpose of the book as a whole, whether the ending “works,” the unreliable unreliableness of Van Veen, and much more. On next week’s episode, they’ll talk about three essays on Ada: “” by Dwight A. Yates, “” by Roy Arthur Swanson, and the “Heaven and Hell” chapter from Azar Nafisi’s .

This week’s music is “Spring by Summer Fall” by Blonde Redhead.

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