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This week’s episode is quite possibly the wildest one yet . . . Chad paid a BookTuber for some promotional love and, well, you’ll have to watch/listen to see how that went. Then they talk about outsiders, Franco Moretti, autofiction, HE-IKEA (the Writer’s nemesis), overblown rants about reading and phones, and much more.

This week’s music is “Date with IKEA” by Pavement.

If you’d prefer to watch the conversation, you can find it on along with . You can watch the May 6th episode (covering pages 487-End) . And you can discuss this book at the reactivated Goodreads .

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