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Chad and Brian go deep into the underlying structure of the second section of Fresan’s The Dreamed Part, talking about Penelope’s story, her relationship to her parents and the Karmas, and the moment in which she lost her son. We finally get to read about her wrecking house (literally) and see how everything circles back to the start of this section . . .

This week’s musicÌý¾±²õ²Ô’³ÙÌý´Ú°ù´Ç³¾ÌýThe Dreamed Part.ÌýIt’s Yppah’s “Dreams Like You,” which is somewhat comforting at this time.

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