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Ä¢¹½´«Ã½ music theorist explores the interrelationship between poetry, lyrics, and music.<\/h2>\n

Reading the opening lines of Van Morrison\u2019s \u201cInto the Mystic,\u201d Matt BaileyShea<\/a>, an associate professor of music theory at the Ä¢¹½´«Ã½<\/a>, notes that \u201cthe song is widely viewed as a classic and a great song. However, it is not great poetry.\u201d<\/p>\n

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Associate Professor of Music Matt BaileyShea teaches class in Dewey Hall. (Ä¢¹½´«Ã½ photo \/ J. Adam Fenster)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Concurring in that view is Morrison himself. When Rolling Stone<\/em> magazine interviewed him for a 1978 article about the lyrics, he suggested people take them too seriously, and the words might even be \u201cirrelevant.\u201d<\/p>\n

We were born before the wind<\/p>\n

Also, younger than the sun<\/p>\n

\u2018Ere the bonnie boat was won<\/p>\n

As we sailed into the mystic.<\/p>\n

Someone studying Morrison\u2019s songs could be convinced they should overlook the lyrics to focus on other elements, like harmony, texture, vocal timbre,\u00a0 rhythm, and meter. But BaileyShea shows in his new book that with close attention, there is a great deal to savor in Morrison’s words.<\/p>\n

In the book, Lines and Lyrics: An Introduction to Poetry and Song<\/em><\/a> (Yale University Press 2021), BaileyShea takes a basic understanding of poetry to explore and draw attention to words, and the sounds of the language to get a deeper interpretation of songs from a wide variety of music styles, from hip-hop to rock to art songs. The goal of the book, he says, is \u201cto get people thinking more carefully about the subtle, sophisticated details of song lyrics, especially in how they relate to the music.\u201d<\/p>\n

BaileyShea has been teaching music theory in both the Arthur Satz Department of Music<\/a> and the Eastman School of Music<\/a>\u00a0since 2003. The relationship between poetic texts and their musical settings has long been a focus for BaileyShea, who organized a symposium for the University\u2019s Humanities Center<\/a> to explore the topic. The interdisciplinary gathering engaged scholars from the Eastman School, the Department of English,<\/a> and the Department of Modern Languages and Cultures<\/a>.<\/p>\n

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Q&A with Matt BaileyShea<\/strong><\/h3>\n
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\"BookWhen did you first start thinking about the connection between poetry and song lyrics?<\/strong><\/h3>\n

BaileyShea:\u00a0<\/strong>I\u2019ve been studying vocal music for decades, but about 10 years ago I began thinking more seriously about the question \u201cWho sings to whom?\u201d in song. I was recognizing that songs often shift pronouns in ways that make this question a bit complicated\u2014\u201che\u201d becomes \u201cI\u201d becomes \u201cyou,\u201d and so forth. I asked [the Joseph Henry Gilmore Professor of English and renowned poet] Jim Longenbach<\/a> for some help with this and he graciously agreed to meet with me. He gave me excellent advice about lyric poetry in general, and I eventually sat in on one of his poetry courses, which was especially eye-opening. It really changed the way I think about poetry and song. The book mainly emerged from those early discussions with him.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

There\u2019s an ongoing debate about whether song lyrics should be treated as poetry. You\u2019re interested in both song lyrics and poetry, but are not especially interested in this debate. Why not? <\/strong><\/h3>\n

BaileyShea:\u00a0<\/strong>In most cases, song lyrics are conceived and written in lines, using rhymes, metaphors, imagery, and much else that we often find in poetry. Pop songwriters don\u2019t usually intend to have people read <\/em>them aloud as if they were poems\u2014it would usually sound silly if we did\u2014but we can certainly benefit from thinking <\/em>about the poetic elements of a song. That\u2019s the main goal of my book: to get people thinking more carefully about the subtle, sophisticated details of song lyrics, especially in how they relate to the music.<\/p>\n

Yet Bob Dylan was a recent recipient of the Nobel Prize in Literature, and we often see written collections of lyrics by people like Leonard Cohen, Jay-Z, or Kurt Cobain. Do you think it makes sense to see certain lyricists as great poets?<\/strong><\/h3>\n

BaileyShea:\u00a0<\/strong>Personally, when I want to read poems, I\u2019d rather pick up a book by a contemporary poet like Terrance Hayes. When I want to experience lyrics\u2014whether by Joni Mitchell or Jay-Z\u2014I\u2019d rather listen to the songs. That\u2019s the thing about lyrics; they must work well with music. Also, I think we get caught up too often in silly stereotypes about artistic value. People sometimes suggest that calling a songwriter a \u201cgreat poet\u201d is the ultimate compliment. The implication is that writing song lyrics is inherently inferior to writing poetry. But why? They\u2019re both very hard to do well.<\/p>\n

Throughout your book, you engage your readers in discussions of songwriters and musicians that span a range of musical styles, such as Kendrick Lamar, Patti Smith, Benjamin Britten, and Bj\u00f6rk. You also look at poetry by people like Anne Sexton, Robert Frost, and William Blake. Was there difficulty in choosing which works and artists to focus on? What was the process like?<\/strong><\/h3>\n

BaileyShea:\u00a0<\/strong>I mostly drew from poetry and songs that I was listening to at the time. I have relatively broad tastes, so the playlist for the book ends up looking somewhat haphazard. But I think it\u2019s a good thing. Most readers will probably recognize a least a few songs and poems that they already know and enjoy. And the diversity of repertoire is crucial for another reason: it allows us to identify similar patterns and strategies across a wide range of texts.<\/p>\n

What do you want readers to gain from your work?\u00a0<\/strong><\/h3>\n

BaileyShea:<\/strong> I mostly just hope the book makes people enjoy reading poetry and listening to songs more than they already do. I imagine many of my readers will be coming at this from either the poetry side or the music side. Hopefully it helps poetry fans listen more closely to lyrics. And hopefully it makes musicians into fans of poetry.<\/p>\n

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Read more<\/strong><\/h3>\n
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\"threeWilliam Blake has left fingerprints all over pop culture<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n

The Romantic-era poet\u2019s influence pervades modern writing, music, film and TV. The University\u2019s William Blake Archive has digitized nearly 7,000 images from Blake\u2019s creations, making them accessible to scholars and fans alike.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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\"blueprintsHow do you make a poem?<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n

We rely on words to carry out even the most mundane acts of communication. Those same words are poets\u2019 medium of creation. In How Poems Get Made,<\/em> James Longenbach asks how poets turn bare utterance into art.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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\"rowTeaching the complexities of the Nobel Prize in Literature<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n

English professor Bette London introduces students to Nobel-winning authors and the controversies surrounding the prize.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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