  {"id":52372,"date":"2022-07-07T19:12:28","date_gmt":"2022-07-07T19:12:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.rochester.edu\/adv\/alumni-news-media\/?p=52372"},"modified":"2023-02-17T15:17:29","modified_gmt":"2023-02-17T15:17:29","slug":"a-nutty-time-for-housing-and-jobs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rochester.edu\/adv\/alumni-news-media\/2022\/07\/07\/a-nutty-time-for-housing-and-jobs\/","title":{"rendered":"A \u2018Nutty\u2019 Time for Housing and Jobs"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[vc_row row_type=&#8221;row&#8221; use_row_as_full_screen_section=&#8221;no&#8221; type=&#8221;full_width&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; background_image=&#8221;52452&#8243; css_animation=&#8221;&#8221; box_shadow_on_row=&#8221;no&#8221;][vc_column][vc_empty_space height=&#8221;150px&#8221; image_repeat=&#8221;no-repeat&#8221;][vc_row_inner row_type=&#8221;row&#8221; type=&#8221;grid&#8221; use_row_as_full_screen_section_slide=&#8221;no&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; css_animation=&#8221;&#8221; box_shadow_on_row=&#8221;no&#8221;][vc_column_inner width=&#8221;1\/4&#8243;][\/vc_column_inner][vc_column_inner width=&#8221;1\/2&#8243;][vc_column_text css=&#8221;.vc_custom_1657220433206{padding-top: 15px !important;padding-right: 15px !important;padding-bottom: 15px !important;padding-left: 15px !important;background-color: rgba(24,41,87,0.8) !important;*background-color: rgb(24,41,87) !important;}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: center;\">A \u2018Nutty\u2019 Time for Housing and Jobs<\/h1>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column_inner][vc_column_inner width=&#8221;1\/4&#8243;][\/vc_column_inner][\/vc_row_inner][vc_empty_space height=&#8221;150px&#8221; image_repeat=&#8221;no-repeat&#8221;][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row row_type=&#8221;row&#8221; use_row_as_full_screen_section=&#8221;no&#8221; type=&#8221;grid&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; background_color=&#8221;#7eb1dc&#8221; css_animation=&#8221;&#8221; box_shadow_on_row=&#8221;no&#8221;][vc_column][vc_empty_space height=&#8221;25px&#8221; image_repeat=&#8221;no-repeat&#8221;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"rev-text\" style=\"text-align: center;\">Economist Svenja Gudell \u201903, \u201911S (PhD) helps consumers make sense of strange times in both markets.<\/h3>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][vc_empty_space height=&#8221;25px&#8221; image_repeat=&#8221;no-repeat&#8221;][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row row_type=&#8221;row&#8221; use_row_as_full_screen_section=&#8221;no&#8221; type=&#8221;grid&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; css_animation=&#8221;&#8221; box_shadow_on_row=&#8221;no&#8221;][vc_column][vc_empty_space height=&#8221;25px&#8221; image_repeat=&#8221;no-repeat&#8221;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_52422\" style=\"width: 405px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-52422\" class=\"wp-image-52422\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochester.edu\/adv\/alumni-news-media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/64_master-class-copy-1741x2412-1-217x300.jpg\" alt=\"Economist Svenja Gudell \u201903, \u201911S (PhD) (Illustration: David Cowles for Rochester Review)\" width=\"395\" height=\"546\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rochester.edu\/adv\/alumni-news-media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/64_master-class-copy-1741x2412-1-217x300.jpg 217w, https:\/\/www.rochester.edu\/adv\/alumni-news-media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/64_master-class-copy-1741x2412-1-739x1024.jpg 739w, https:\/\/www.rochester.edu\/adv\/alumni-news-media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/64_master-class-copy-1741x2412-1-768x1064.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.rochester.edu\/adv\/alumni-news-media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/64_master-class-copy-1741x2412-1-1109x1536.jpg 1109w, https:\/\/www.rochester.edu\/adv\/alumni-news-media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/64_master-class-copy-1741x2412-1-1478x2048.jpg 1478w, https:\/\/www.rochester.edu\/adv\/alumni-news-media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/64_master-class-copy-1741x2412-1-700x970.jpg 700w, https:\/\/www.rochester.edu\/adv\/alumni-news-media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/64_master-class-copy-1741x2412-1.jpg 1741w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 395px) 100vw, 395px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-52422\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>(Illustration: David Cowles for Rochester Review)<\/em><\/p><\/div>\n<p><strong>I researched the US housing market at Zillow for just over 10 years, and since last December I\u2019ve been doing the same for the global labor market at Indeed. <\/strong>We live in incredibly interesting times. It\u2019s fascinating for me to be able to see the data, analyze what\u2019s going on\u2014and because at both Zillow and Indeed, the research is geared to consumers rather than economists\u2014I hope provide some insights that are helpful to people.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Housing is an incredibly fundamental need of all of us, and right now the market is, for lack of a better word, nutty.<\/strong> The major trend which has been persistent for years is that the supply of housing is incredibly tight. There aren\u2019t a whole lot of houses available, particularly at the lower end of the cost spectrum. So the competition among buyers is fierce. Sellers are collecting multiple offers and bidding wars are happening that are leading people to go over budget and wave contingencies that ideally they\u2019d want to keep.<\/p>\n<p><strong>In a housing market as tight as what we have, there are going to be some groups at a great disadvantage.<\/strong> Not everyone can take a Thursday afternoon off, look at a bunch of homes, and then say, \u201cOh, it\u2019s going $200,000 over asking; sure, we can match that.\u201d That makes it very hard for an average buyer to be competitive.<\/p>\n<p><strong>One reason for the housing shortage is that large demographic shifts are pushing more and more consumers into the housing market.<\/strong> Millennials are becoming homeowners and Gen Z, also an incredibly large generation, is entering the market. Since the end of the Great Recession, partly because of these demographic tailwinds, the bottom end of the market has been appreciating faster than the top end.<\/p>\n<p><strong>At the same time, we\u2019<\/strong><strong>ve underbuilt for years.<\/strong> The Great Recession brought on a lasting labor shortage in construction. A lot of people switched out of housing construction. Builders have had a pretty hard time building more, and it really comes down to the L\u2019s: labor is really expensive, land is really expensive, and lumber is incredibly expensive.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The result is that o<\/strong><strong>ften the math only makes sense for the luxury side of the market, where builders are able to get the return they want.<\/strong> That\u2019s true in the rental market as well. Most of the multifamily construction has been luxury units. So there\u2019s been a shortage at the bottom end of the rental market, and appreciation has been incredibly high.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Federal housing policies have usually supported the demand side through assistance, but the problem now is supply, and that\u2019s harder to fix.<\/strong> A huge tool in the chest is at the local level, through zoning. We need to use it more often to make it easier to build. And to make it cheaper to build.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The <\/strong><strong>labor market is just as nutty as the housing market. <\/strong>After a few decades in which there weren\u2019t enough jobs, we now have an extreme mismatch between supply and demand in which, if every unemployed person were to take a job, there would still be jobs left unfilled. Labor force participation went way down during the pandemic, and while it has come up quite a bit, it\u2019s still down from what it was. I think this is a time of truly fundamental change. People are evaluating what they want from their jobs and what\u2019s important to them. Sometimes they find that they already are in a great job; but the quit rate is extremely high right now\u2014much higher than it\u2019s ever been in recent history. And the turnover has been particularly at the lower end of the market.<\/p>\n<p><strong>For people like new college graduates who are entering the job and housing markets at the same time, the situation is mixed.<\/strong> There are more remote offerings for entry-level hires from employers in the most expensive markets. But many of those jobs are also hybrid, which means you\u2019re still expected to show up in the office during some part of the week.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Some large companies have been setting up satellite offices, so if you want to work at Facebook, you don\u2019<\/strong><strong>t need to show up in San Francisco or Menlo Park. <\/strong>That approach has a lot of benefits for companies, because they\u2019re going to bring more diversity to their applicant pool if they\u2019re able to hire people from different areas.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I do think that remote work will have some interesting side effects in the housing market.<\/strong> For example, I\u2019m a full-time remote worker. I could move back to Rochester, where my cost of living would surely be lower than it is in Seattle. I have coworkers who\u2019ve made those types of moves. Is this just happening on the periphery? Or is there going to be a larger swath of people who can really drive a new trend? I think it\u2019s too soon to tell.[\/vc_column_text][vc_empty_space height=&#8221;25px&#8221; image_repeat=&#8221;no-repeat&#8221;][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row row_type=&#8221;row&#8221; use_row_as_full_screen_section=&#8221;no&#8221; type=&#8221;grid&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; css_animation=&#8221;&#8221; box_shadow_on_row=&#8221;no&#8221;][vc_column][vc_row_inner row_type=&#8221;row&#8221; type=&#8221;full_width&#8221; use_row_as_full_screen_section_slide=&#8221;no&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; background_color=&#8221;#e9e5d7&#8243; css_animation=&#8221;&#8221; box_shadow_on_row=&#8221;no&#8221;][vc_column_inner][vc_empty_space height=&#8221;25px&#8221; image_repeat=&#8221;no-repeat&#8221;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<h3><strong>Svenja Gudell \u201903, \u201911S (PhD)<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p><strong>Home:<\/strong> Seattle, Washington<\/p>\n<p><em>Chief economist, Indeed<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Former chief economist, Zillow Group<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>On discovering economics: <\/strong>I took an economics class in high school and fell in love with it. I was an economics major at Rochester from the get-go. Taking data, applying logic and a framework to interpret it, and getting all kinds of interesting takeaways about the world around me\u2014I found that incredibly appealing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>On liberal arts and studio arts:<\/strong> I\u2019m a big believer in having a liberal arts education. I had a minor in studio arts and a minor in math. I loved my studio arts classes. I\u2019d schlep over to Sage Art Center, past the soccer fields. 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